The Possibility Mindset Podcast
Join Devin Henderson as he opens up about faith, family, and what it means to keep moving forward in every season of life.
After experiencing the unimaginable loss of his eight-week-old daughter Ivy, Devin stepped away from podcasting to grieve with his family. Now he’s back, going deeper into his personal faith, the hard questions, and the spiritual truths that have sustained him through life’s darkest moments.
How do you keep going when life falls apart? What do you do when you've achieved everything and still feel empty? How do you find meaning when there's no challenge left to chase?
Through solo reflections and conversations with guests who’ve faced extraordinary challenges of their own, Devin explores what it really takes to believe that something greater is always possible—no matter what.
This is a different side of Devin—one that goes beyond what audiences have seen from the stage. Expect vulnerability, honesty, hope, and real conversations about navigating life’s hardest questions while continuing to ask:
What else is possible?
New episodes every week beginning September 2026.
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The Possibility Mindset Podcast
#22 A Conversation with Devin's Daughter Claire
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Join Devin Henderson and daughter Claire for a heartfelt conversation full of laughter, empathy, and self-discovery. Claire and Devin – or as he's now mainly known: "Claire's Dad," touch on the joys of homeschooling, having six sisters, and long father-daughter walks and talks at night... where Claire does most of the talking – her words!
Witness the power of kindness in the workplace through Claire's eyes as she recounts her touching Chick-fil-A encounter and consider what it means to truly lead and inspire. Claire's adventures, such as last-minute road trips or a Hindu temple visit will encourage you to celebrate the growth that comes from engaging with new perspectives. So tune in, and you too might find yourself asking the question, 'What else is possible?' and discovering the potential that lies in wait for you.
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Introduction and Conversation With Claire Henderson
Speaker 1How you doing . Check , check one , two . Yeah , hi guys .
Speaker 2Hello Claire Henderson . Check , check one , two Good child home slices . How's it going out there ?
Speaker 1Alright , what's up everybody . Welcome to the possibility mindset podcast . I'm Devin Henderson and I am your host , and I believe that something greater is always better than nothing . I believe that something greater is always possible for you . It's my daughter , claire , everybody .
Speaker 2What other kind of ?
Speaker 1introduction . Can I give you know it's my daughter , claire . I'm so proud of her . I love her . She's amazing . There you go . That's it , goodbye . Thank you , have a good one . Oh , my gosh , this is fun . Well , hey , before we jump in and kind of talk more about you know , the awesomeness of Claire I want to say thanks to Excedra Shawnee , which is beautiful . Fans is where we live . The staff here is phenomenal . You like them . You like Sanya , our server .
Speaker 1You guys like hit it off , you guys are buds now like this , my favorite quote of the day so far , which , as you know , you faithful , loyal listeners know I always write down the things that the kids say . I have a segment in my solo cast called Girl Talk .
Speaker 2Oh , do you ? I do , and you're featured , I know . So this is like girl talk episode .
Speaker 1We'll just title it Girl Talk . Well , let's talk a bore . So the best thing you said today , if we walked in here and you said I've never seen a bar at a breakfast place before it's like 8 AM .
Speaker 2I never go to bars and I never go to breakfast places , so I feel like the chances of me seeing a bar at a breakfast place are pretty low in general .
Speaker 1I would say so . I don't see a lot of bars in breakfast places either . It's like it sounds like an egg set or a special thing , and you are 16 , so I hope you're not going to a lot of bars , just you Just . Every once in a while , dad , I'm at a bar again .
Speaker 2I'm like OK , listeners please , please , stop taking your mom's ID around with you .
Speaker 1Well , everyone does think you're like what 21 ?
Speaker 236 ? 36 . I have gotten 36 . Have you really ?
Speaker 1Congratulations .
Speaker 2Thank you , that's an accomplishment , I'm glad At 16 years old Wow .
Speaker 1I'm proud of you for that Awesome . Well , if you want to see my beautiful daughter and you're only listening you got to go to YouTube for the full experience and check it out . Don't forget to subscribe and like and all those other things that we YouTubers say . Am I a YouTuber ? Would you call me a YouTuber , claire ? Ok , don't answer that .
Speaker 2Listen Dad .
Speaker 1Yeah , oh man . This is where it gets real , and she's going to put me in my place and humble me . I'm ready Teach me , child .
Speaker 2Who's going to humble you if I don't ?
Speaker 1That's a good point man , that's deep Let that sink in everybody .
Speaker 2You're front . Seven daughters into this world . Yeah , you prepared yourself for this , that's true .
Speaker 1Ok , all right . Well , so there it is . Do it If you're listening . We'd love , on Apple , if you want to give us a comment and a five star review . I had two comments . Now it's down to one . I think someone took their comments down .
Speaker 2It was me , it was you yeah .
Speaker 1Which I want to address that in my solo cast , because I think I know why , but we'll talk about that later . Ok , moving on , do you want to guess how many days off coffee I am ? I know you don't care , but you just want to guess 68 . You're close , I'm 83 . 83 . Days off coffee .
Speaker 2Interesting . I know I'm doing it . It was 50 . It was , it was 50 . Like two days yeah .
Speaker 1How'd I do that ? Well , I count by seven . No , but this one . I'm drinking tea . Today I brought my mud water and so I'm just given a chance to see . Is it going to make a difference in my focus , my energy all day , my sleep ? And it's still kind of up and down . I can't be like I have found the solution and I'm off coffee forever . I'm still on this journey . Ok , yeah , but mud water is always going to have a place , Even if I'm completely off coffee or if I'm kind of supplementing coffee with something else . Mud water is great , right Less caffeine .
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Speaker 2Yeah .
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Speaker 2He's a YouTuber .
Speaker 1I am now officially crossed over into YouTube territory YouTuber . So it's mudwater . Nudwtrcom slash devin . Devin is DEVIN for those of you who just met me Mudwatercom slash devin . I'm telling you this Now , what they claim , what I'm feeling is I do feel more alert Because I feel like when I get that caffeine , that coffee , it's too much and then I crash later in the day .
Speaker 1That has been better , that's been improving . I've been able to have days where I work all day long and feel great . So that's different and I would say , overall , sleep is better . I still have those nights where I wake up at 2 and can't go back to sleep till 4 . And I think that's just going to take time , maybe for that to help . So anyway , mudwater's got mudwater . So many good properties , mushroom-based . Check it out . Go over there right now and they have a special deal when you sign up for the first time and if you want to help support the podcast , that's one great way to do it . That's a total win-win . So , mudwatercom slash devin , that link is in our show notes . Ok , well , go .
Speaker 2Chiefs Go Chiefs .
Speaker 1Which this isn't going to come out because I'd like to put them in the queue . So you think I wouldn't talk about things relevant to the moment , because in like a month it's not going to mean anything . But we're at the . Open it means the chiefs Every .
Speaker 2Right the chiefs Open . It means everything .
Speaker 1Everything .
Speaker 2We went to the what's it called .
Speaker 1To the parade last year the celebration parade . We're the only city that shuts down everything that day and a million people congregate at Union Station .
Speaker 2It was fun and it was fun , it was fun . One of them it was like we'll see you next year . I expect them to make good on that podcast .
Speaker 1I can't believe . Yeah , yeah , they said it . They said it , well , in that parade . What did you think of that parade ? How was that for you ? I enjoyed it .
Speaker 2We stood there for 12 hours . We were in the center of it .
Speaker 1We were the last destination .
Speaker 2Yeah , we didn't go along the parade route .
Speaker 1We went to Union Station , which is where they sort of like that the parade comes down with all the players and they land right in front of Union Station where they have a big stage set up and they kind of do like a show .
Speaker 2Yeah , everybody's dancing and partying . We were waiting there for a few hours .
Speaker 1It was quite cold .
Speaker 2It was like February , I think . I had like a granola bar to split with my friend . Yeah , you guys ditched us . You guys went inside Union Station .
Speaker 1Whatever , you know Well inside the doorway you can't go like in and in , so it's like , yeah , that's more in than we were .
Speaker 2That's true , that's true we tried to get as close as we could . We almost got trampled by a horse and trampled by people , but Best part of your day . I don't think I told you about that . No , I'm just hearing about this for the first time I was like , hey , we'll be right over here . And I was like , yeah , I'm under a horse , I'm under a yeah , I'm not Patrick Mahomes yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's crazy , but so you got to see Patrick Mahomes , kelsey , I mean , they were all up there on the stage just hanging out .
Speaker 2It was a good time .
Speaker 1So that's pretty cool . I wouldn't have gone had you not been like I want to go to the chief's parade . I remember you being like , hear me out , chief's parade . And I was like , oh man , just what an undertaking is a parent ? Because I'm not like the super adventurous kind where it's like let's just go . I'm kind of like , ok , I have to plan my day , now , be orderly about it . And then we brought your friend of Angeline , and then your sister's , charlotte and Cambry , and then what we do at the end of the day , did we ?
Speaker 1go to IHOP . We went to IHOP .
Speaker 2What better way to type ?
Speaker 1Yeah , I mean we should have come to Exeter , but they're not open that late .
Speaker 2So we had to go to IHOP . No .
Speaker 1IHOP's great too , right down by our house , one of our places , ok , awesome . That's chief , so anyway the chiefs last night just beat the Ravens , so in two weeks they're going to the Super Bowl . So at this point , while you're listening , you're going to know more than we do right now , so congratulations on that . I have to give another shout out . I performed at a private school here in Shawnee , kansas , called Maronatha School . And afterwards I talked to several students .
Speaker 2Hey , they enjoyed it . Several of them texted me .
Speaker 1Oh did they ? Oh well , I was performing . That's funny . Some of Claire's friends go to that school so like who is this monkey man ? And so I promised a four young gentlemen students there that I would give them shout outs in the podcast . So here it goes . What's up to Luke , lucas , heath , ben and Matthew . Hello , here's your shout out . Hope you enjoyed that show and hopefully we'll come back and do it again . So , all right , let's introduce you officially , claire Henderson . That was it . I'm Claire Henderson , everybody . Welcome to the podcast , welcome to my podcast .
Speaker 2Yeah , her podcast we're taking over . This is not her podcast .
Speaker 1Okay , I'm gonna actually introduce her by reading a text
The Impact of Chick-Fil-a on Opportunities
Speaker 1to you that . I got from your boss , Drew Severans at Chick-fil-A .
Speaker 2Are you ready for this ?
Speaker 1Okay , so this is something that one of Drew's wife , julie kind of Drew's wife , julie's friend , okay . So her boss's wife's friend went into Chick-fil-A , interacted with Claire and then sent Julie this message , which Drew then sent to me . A lot of sending being going on , so I got this from your boss . Here it is . If any of you know Chick-fil-A employee Claire H here , please tell her or her parents . Thank you . She was literally one of the kindest people I have ever met at such a young age 36 , you were pretty good at it . She asked how my day was going and after I told her we lost our grandpa today , she asked if she could give me a hug and took down my name so she could pray for us . She went above and beyond to make sure that I left with a smile , was encouraged and knowing that someone out there was praying and caring for us . Kudos to her and her parents for raising such a genuine caring and kind soul . We need more young adults like Claire in this world . Heart emoji it's awesome , I mean that's .
Speaker 2It was my pleasure , like it was a good day it was . It's always rough . You have rough conversations sometimes at work in the customer service area but it's you remember this specific instance oh yeah , I've been waiting for her .
Speaker 1That's awesome . Wow , that's cool . See , that's . I mean , that's the kind of text . When you get that as a parent you're like wow , thank you , lord that you know my kid's so awesome so .
Speaker 2I give the credit to your . God is good .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's not me , I was gonna say and I give the credit to your mother too , because your mother's phenomenal , she's awesome . So , but you know , it's not just . I've gotten more texts like that from . Drew Sent me a funny one .
Speaker 2Oh , I wrote it down . Drew Severn . He said your daughter . He stopped buddy .
Speaker 1Okay , he texted me . I wrote this one down here . He said oh , and by the way , Drew's brother , Will , was on the podcast a few months ago so you might remember Will Severn Severn's who's . Yeah , watch that one , it's a good one . So Drew texts me . He said your daughter just did her thing with Oscar Shepard , head of selection for Olive Chick-fil-A . Can't wait till that girl is my boss someday . Yep , that awesome . I just Drew's amazing , but you're amazing .
Speaker 2I can't wait until I'm your boss someday . It's gonna be fun .
Speaker 1She's gunning for your job , buddy .
Speaker 2I hope to bless you just as much as you have blessed me , yeah yeah , well , I wanna talk about Drew more later , but I mean how often people compliment you .
Speaker 1I was just telling you those people that are friends of the Jobs right who ? And they're the ones who Charlotte plays , yeah , and so they're like , your daughter's so witty , so fun , so awesome . And I mean people at church like , oh my gosh , your daughter's clear , like . I'm no longer Devon Henderson , I'm Claire's dad . That's all I am now . So we just need to redo my website , clairsdadcom .
Speaker 2Lord knows why . That's who I am .
Speaker 1I know . But I mean , are the people we know will just be , I mean , all the time like , is that your daughter ? You know , we stopped by and she was just like so friendly , so awesome , so let's start there , let's . I mean , because this is , you know , we're talking about possibilities and we kinda have a short list of . I mean , as you're still growing up , you know , you've had some pretty cool opportunities that have led to cool possibilities in your life already . You know cause you're like ready to grow up . Let's face it . You're kinda like let's do it , let's move out . I mean she was ready to get a job at 14 , ready to drive . I mean you were just kinda like it was just cool to watch you just be like talk , talk .
Speaker 2Prepared and ready versus versus eager , like I don't think I was all that prepared for it . I don't think you can really be prepared for growing up . I think growing up is like the preparation for your adult life . That's not any wisdom , but it's more of a . I don't think I've been prepared for a lot of the things I've done , but I've had people who have come by me , like come along with me and supported me and all of the like you said really cool opportunities I've had . I've been very blessed with some really fun experiences that have stretched me and grown me .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Well and I think what you're saying about that's true for adult life too , where I mean a lot of you can probably relate you don't feel prepared for maybe even the job you're in right now , or you're having a kid , or you're moving , or it's like I'm not prepared Now . You look prepared to everyone else because you might put on a good face or put on an air of confidence , but sometimes we don't always feel prepared . I think that's just like true for the rest of our life . You're always gonna be preparing for the next level . But I feel like you at this level , you've experienced more leadership , like good leaders in your life through mainly Chick-fil-A and through some of the other things we'll talk about . I feel like you're so far ahead of like where I was at 16 , just in terms of maturity , growing up , understanding just more about society and the world and people , and you're so good with people . I mean she makes friends instantly .
Speaker 1We were at the doctor's office recently . She was in getting her ankle x-ray . It sounded like there was a party going on in there . She was cracking everyone up . She is like one of the funniest people that I know Like . I envy her wittiness and her just how fast she puts things together . You could be a standard comedian . If you were like I wanna do that , I don't know . You could just start doing it now . I'm telling you you would crush . You'd be amazing .
Speaker 2I just like attention and I like to talk . And I've heard that if you're funny , you're gonna fail enough times to where you don't feel funny anymore . I say a lot of things that I'm like oh , I'm gonna be funny right now and no laughs . I have so many of those stories but people only see like man that was funny . They only remember the funny parts . Or if you do something and you just fail , you bomb on a joke or a comment . It's funny .
Speaker 1Well , that's what I love like whole rising through failure , because you learn from those failure moments of okay , that wasn't funny why . And then you know you just get better and better and better , and so , whether you're gonna be a comedian or not , you know , you learn from those cues and you're smart enough . You have such an acute awareness of like everything happening around you and your own effect on people that you're gonna learn from every time you say something that didn't land the way you wanted it to . So I know I'm gonna be talking about big time on this podcast .
Speaker 2I mean forget it . I mean I'm a proud father , I'll admit it . It's like nine in the morning .
Speaker 1I know , and we're already at the bar . It's crazy , right . So yeah , I mean , let's start with Chick-fil-A . I know right now you're actually taking a break from Chick-fil-A , because what's going on ? Why do you get a work break right now ?
Speaker 2We are closed , but just for a couple more weeks . We're getting a new lane in , getting a door rather than a window , so we bag the food and we run it out right , run it right out to you guys . It's gonna be really cool , just renovations preparing . We're also like the year of preparation was . Last year we were preparing for renovations and we're also preparing for a new store that'll be opening up this fall .
Speaker 1Who's gonna be owning and operating that one ?
Speaker 2No , Drew Severins . Drew Severins . Drew Severins bless the Lord for him Running two stores .
Speaker 1Like I couldn't ever fathom running one store , let alone two .
Speaker 2Hey , it's a one in a million thing If someone can do it .
Speaker 1it's true . Yeah , it is true .
Speaker 2The numbers and the statistics are . I've heard them .
Speaker 1I would box them For one person owning two .
Speaker 2For one person owning one like thousands of people apply for Chick-fil-A and two have two is so cool and it's such a blessing . I know that Drew is really doing it for the team , for our opportunities .
Speaker 1Like our opportunities have doubled , Like ex-world and it's so sick Because of the new store .
Speaker 2Yeah , we're gonna be hiring on like 300 more people .
Speaker 1Wow .
Speaker 2We're gonna be training them up . We're gonna be training up leaders . We're gonna be training up team members like caregivers .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2It's gonna be a really cool experience .
Speaker 1And it's gonna be drive-thru only , which is one of the first , if not the first , in the region , and we're still playing around with ideas on how to still provide care .
Speaker 2And provide this personal touch , even though it's gonna be a very fast pace .
Speaker 1I did not know it was drive-thru . Only that's news to me , okay , awesome . Well , I mean the cool thing about Drew just having the insight and the ingenuity and the engineering mindset of how can we move more cars through quicker ? How can we make are there even kind of restructuring the parking lot a little bit to make it a one way ? I know he was telling me about that . He's just smart and is thinking how can we make this a better experience for the customer and just make things run more smoothly ? So , yeah , I mean Drew is . I remember when he wrote us a letter when you first got hired and just he's just so great about having that personal touch , even with parents , and being like , hey , it's such a blessing to have your child with us , thanks for sharing with us , and so , yeah , and then you got to go to Atlanta .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1Now , how rare of an opportunity is that ? For what ? Were you 15 at the time to go to Atlanta with the leadership team . I mean , this is crazy . Right , tell , talk about that .
Speaker 2Well , yes , it's a really unique opportunity for most people , but for Chick-fil-A , lenexa , drew and our whole leadership team want to cultivate leaders and so , yeah , I was on that selection . I think I was one of six people , including Julie Severins and Drew Severins , to fly down there . It was a leadership conference . We got to go to the support center , meet some of the people who support us from Atlanta , got to hear great lectures , got to learn about how to lead ourselves , lead our teams that's about it . It was a really cool opportunity and getting to know those members who came on the plane got to have dinners together , it was a really good bonding experience .
Speaker 1Yes , your mom and I . We trust you so much with what you do and you travel these places . You know , and you know other parents like you're letting her fly to Atlanta . I'm like , well , yeah , with Drew Severins you know what I mean like and Julie Severins and I mean these people who we trust . You know , we trust them with the life of our Donnerby and just the opportunity that opens up to you to go down there and learn that . And then next week , where are you flying Alaska ?
Speaker 1She's going to Alaska by herself , okay , so we're like she can do it by herself , but she is going by herself . But you're meeting up with some friends that used to live here . They live there now . You're going to be staying with them . It's going to be really fun .
Speaker 2I'm super blessed to know them , they started the church up there . I'm going to go visit them , hang out , see what their ministry is all about , meet some of their community . It's going to be really good and good to see friends again . They moved up there and I'll fall or summer of 23 .
Speaker 1Okay , yeah , and I've yet to meet these people .
Speaker 2So , yeah , go stay with those random strangers I've never met in Alaska Going away party and I know a lot of the kids I've met the parents like once or twice , and one of the kids was like right when you left , I finished a conversation with their mom and had to head out and she said her mom came up to her and was like sweet girl , who was that ? And we're like Claire and she's like I don't know who that is . It was a really funny experience .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2So I guess they know me enough now to just let me stay at their house .
Speaker 1Yeah Well , that's awesome . So let's back up a little bit yes . Right , because I mean , you're my baby , we don't need to go back that far . But you know like it is crazy . 16 years goes by like that . A dad told me that when you were little , he goes , they grow up like that . I'm like , yeah , yeah , yeah , I get it .
Speaker 2You've been telling me these stories since I was like five years old , and every time he snaps I feel like I'm going 10 years .
Speaker 1Hey , what's up , you're good man . Come on in , we're just chilling
Podcast and Speaker Association Experience
Speaker 1, you're fine .
Speaker 2I was saying I'm doing a podcast Dude , do me a thing , man , you're good , what's up ?
Speaker 1Thank you .
Speaker 1I've been here for about a year I'm cutting my hair . Oh , you know , I don't know . Just ask the management , go through that door right there , ask them out there . I'm sorry , yeah , okay , all right man , thanks . It's part of what I love about this venue is you get that ? You know what I mean ? Interactions , interactions we just got to meet the coke guy but , but yeah , no backing up . I mean it's , it goes fast . So you always think like I did that in my standard comedy for a little bit , where I'm like , oh , they grew up like that . So I go home and I'm like , okay , come on , kids , let's get to it , let's grow up .
Speaker 2But I'm trying .
Speaker 1Yeah , I'm trying dad and so and so here she is flying to Alaska . It worked , but let's back up that . The first thing I really think that was like a really unique opportunity for you was NSA . Yes , and I say meaning the National Speakers Association , which is part of what I'm a part of , where speakers come together and collaborate , learn from each other , listen to each other , speak , network , and then they have , you know , local chapters . We have a great one here in Kansas City . Then there's like it's it's actually a , it's a worldwide Association , so we get together .
Speaker 1If there's like an annual conference once a year always meets here in the States and has really helped for my growth as a speaker . And then it turns out they have like a , a leadership program for the kids slash students . I think it's like ages you have to be 10 . So you went when you were 10 and you went I think three years and then COVID happened and so you haven't gone since , but your sisters want to go , so . So this is what it was so like . While the parents are learning , it's like they can bring their kids and it's kind of like . It's not like a daycare , but they do stay in this thing all day and they get leadership training , they listen to speakers , they , they go and they do some kind of flint , fill in through philanthropic some community service oriented thing .
Speaker 1So so tell me about what that was like . We went to Orlando the first time . How , what did NSA teach you ? What was that experience like for you ?
Speaker 2That was such a cool opportunity , such a blessing that you provided for me . Um , it's like where to begin . Because we have such a big family , I don't get a whole lot of one-on-one time with you or mom right , which is fine . I had a whole , like two years before Charlotte was born , mm-hmm .
Speaker 1I got my fill . Yeah , but if you're just meeting us , there's seven . We have seven dollars total . She's the first of seven , so that kind of that's why , one-on-ones are very , yeah , very rare .
Speaker 2And I still see you guys all the time . I get to hang out with you , but the one-on-one interactions aren't so different . Yeah and it was so much fun to go on a plane and I think back to how young I was and how old I thought I was , and Just like if I had to bring a ten-year-old on a trip to to Disney World , disneyland .
Speaker 1Disney World , disney World , yeah , yeah , florida right .
Speaker 2Oh , bless your heart . Like I , I'm kind of shocked that you took me , but we went . It was so much fun to hang out with you . It was fun to meet so many friends and one of your best friends you made there , kinley Kinley .
Speaker 1You know it was . Yeah , became one of your . Is she gonna be there next year ? She could be there next year . She was so sweet so sweet .
Speaker 2There are plenty of people you meet and you you just look forward all year to seeing them again . And getting to sit through so many lectures and writing so many notes and Getting to serve in those communities was so cool and it really , I think , taught me how to get out of my shell and to Meet people and be okay with new experiences , because I was homeschooled and I got a lot of experiences that a lot of people from public school Would it all right people will be like how did you get community when you were younger ?
Speaker 2It's like we made the community . Yeah , yeah , right and so I I'm used to being around people , but I'm used to being around a lot of adults . It's strange to be around that many kids and Teenagers . Yeah but I didn't get some really good relationships out of it and some really good life lessons .
Speaker 1Mm-hmm , good , that's awesome . And then that first year in Florida we had a blast . We went to the Magic Kingdom together , we did Epcot , so that was , yeah , it was amazing . And then , and then the next year we were in Dallas and then you got to see some friends down to that had moved there , so that was
The Trip to Aurora Colorado
Speaker 1fun . And then the next year after that was Aurora Colorado , when , when my wife was super pregnant . We were , we were pregnant , we got home .
Speaker 2On a Wednesday . She had the baby on a .
Speaker 1Saturday very pregnant long story . Oh , it was insane . It was , that's right . That's right . You want to tell them what happened on Saturday morning .
Speaker 2when you woke up , you're 11 Saturday morning I was 11 .
Speaker 1I keep my she's stoked , like she's been thinking about this all year . It's all she's thinking about a calendar .
Speaker 2I'm counting down the days I am . I go to bed thinking my dad's gonna wake me up at four in the morning . We're gonna fly out to Colorado . Never been to Colorado . Super excited to see mountains . Excited to see Kinley , again excited to see all of my friends . I wake up and there's sun and my stomach drops and my heart like Plummets and I , because you're expecting to be waking up in the dark .
Speaker 2Yes , I'm like my dad's gonna wake . So I'm like man , we missed our flight , we're gonna have to be like a day late . What are we gonna do ? How are we gonna get there ? I ran into my parents bedroom . I'm like dad , he's still in bed . I was . I was scared . He left me . He's still in bed . I'm like dad , wake up . We have to go . We have to go get the flight . He goes . Oh , we decided not to go .
Speaker 1Hopefully , I was a little more sensitive than that and I just woke up .
Speaker 2I think you just woken up . I'm sorry to throw you because you woke me up .
Speaker 1Right , right , that's okay . Yeah , no man , it sounds like a horrible dad moment , but I'm gonna horrible dad moment it .
Speaker 2I , I , I did proceed to have a whole temper tantrum which we're not gonna talk about .
Speaker 1Understandable , totally warranted . I mean , I don't think so .
Speaker 2I don't think any tantrum is .
Speaker 1Well as an 11 year old , that's so big and basically , and yeah you know , keep going , keep going yeah .
Speaker 2Just like devastated , sick to my stomach , lost my will to live , just Done with the world . Yeah , I made a cake that helped .
Speaker 1Same your next book . I made a cake and that helps .
Speaker 2I made a cake and that helps Got back a little bit of the likes to survive . I calm down and think man , my mom is very pregnant . I would feel terrible . Start thinking if I'm going to be the oldest of this family , the leader of the pack , I don't want to act like this every time something doesn't go my way . Really draw myself out of it .
Speaker 2I'm like folding clothes , kind of like settling with that fact of hey things aren't always going to go your way , that's okay , and it's not the end of the world . And then you come out and you're like do you want to drive down there with the whole family ? Previz , we had just gotten like a 12 passenger , did we have a van yet ?
Speaker 1We had just like persisted . We had just gotten this 12 passenger van .
Speaker 2And you and mom were like man , like saw the soul leave my eyes . And they're like man , because you love me so much .
Speaker 1I'm so blessed .
Speaker 2They drove down my mom nine months plus yeah .
Speaker 1And this was not about our kids throwing a tantrum , so we're going to give it . It was not .
Speaker 1It was like you know , yeah , because the cool thing is that , even though it ended well , you got to go . It was like it was kind of nice that you got to have that experience and find yourself getting over it , yes , and coming through that like you grew through that . Like you grew how to be ? Like , let's get used to disappointment , let's move on . And so you had gotten to that point on your own , so you would have been ultimately okay even if we didn't go . So it's kind of nice that you grew . And then , icing on the cake , you still got to go .
Speaker 2Icing on the cake Because I felt horrible right yeah icing on the cake . I mean , you felt horrible .
Speaker 1Yeah , I mean I , you didn't even have to make me feel horrible . I already felt horrible knowing that . I was like going to have to tell you I'm sorry we can't go , but Lynn mom was so pregnant that it was like I'm always afraid I'm going to miss the birth right , because I'm always traveling anyway , speaking , and so it was like I don't want us to be in Colorado and get to call it I'm in labor , I'm going to have the baby , because I love that moment . You know like I love that moment , and I knew she was so close . It was like , well , let's all drive out there together , we'll search for hospitals on the way and we had a hospital in mind while we were there , in case she was in labor .
Speaker 2She has to have contractions and we all can't . I know it's like no , not yet .
Speaker 1But by God's grace , we drove home on a Wednesday and she had the baby three days later , like on a Saturday . And not only do I not want to miss the birth , but even like the few days and weeks leading up to it . There's something special about it's getting close . Let's be here together . Let's like enjoy this moment before our family is one more , has one more person in it . You know , like let's enjoy what we have right now before we break through to
Wizard of Oz Auditions and Performance
Speaker 1the next level . So that was how all that played into and you handled it . Considering everything , you handled it well , I'm serious .
Speaker 2I mean you recovery mainly , I'm telling you I never really thought about how good that was for you to like grow through that . Maybe that was a good decision , maybe .
Speaker 1Man . So , anyway , I'm glad NSA has been good for you , and I mean that's . You know , even it's just so good to learn . I always thought when I graduated college I'm like I never have to learn again . This is great , but it's like learning is a lifelong thing , you know . So go to conferences , read books , listen to speakers , listen to podcasts , because we got to keep growing . You know the world's always changing . So , all right , I got weird and deep real fast , speaking of more possibilities . Uh , wizard of Oz was crazy . So this girl , when you were I guess you were 14 at the time Was 14 , almost 15 .
Speaker 1Yeah , because , yeah , it was like two years ago from this spring , you were in Wizard of Oz and I actually tell this story in my keynote . She , she had never had any theater experience , I mean just like little plays in elementary school , and she goes in and auditions . I wish we had the video of your audition , her audition . She had someone record it and send it to us and you . Your song was the witch , the Ursula song from Little Mermaid , what's it called Poor Unfortunate Soul . Poor Unfortunate Soul . She crushed , I mean , got into it , was like evil , was , it was so good . And so she got the role of Miss Gulch , which is , like you know , the witch before she becomes the witch . And so we were like , oh my gosh , first audition ever , crushed , atlanta , that role .
Speaker 1And so yeah , tell us kind of what , what kind of possibilities did that open up for you ?
Speaker 2Absolutely . I'll just start with the story of how I got into the show . Swear to myself I'm never going to be a theater kid Losers . What are they even doing with their lives In high ?
Speaker 1school , I thought the same . I was like those are the dorks Now .
Speaker 2I wish I would have been a theater , because I feel like that was my tribe , but I wanted to be too cool .
Speaker 1I wanted so hard to be too cool , too cool , so that I was like I'm not going to do it and looking back , I'm like I think I would have had more fun . It would have been my tribe , anyway . So , yeah , go on .
Speaker 2No , and on New Year's I had some friends , like some friends who were graduating , and they were like man , we all want to be in the last show together Because it's a like high school children's professional theater company Right right , right , First act here in town . And so they were all talking about let's do Wizard of Oz as a joke , because there was Les Mis going on at the same time .
Speaker 1And that's like the big show everyone wants to be in like this .
Speaker 2But the guy who was graduating , he's like I'm going to be in the Wizard of Oz .
Speaker 1Which guy was that ? Was that Colton ? Everybody's going to do what Colton's doing . Everyone's going to do what Colton's doing . I even did what Colton did .
Speaker 2I did kind of do it , Girl , you should do it , you should . And I was like I guess I will . So I call my parents and I'm like can I sign up for the show ? Just really quick . And they're like go for it . So the audition I don't know how far it was , I did have . I did Greece later that summer or the next summer . I'm just like a week long like program where you learn a show in a week , and the director that helped me find my voice , pick a song and grew from there . I have some friends in theater who also came over and were like okay , Claire , this is how you sing , Stop doing that . And I , yeah , audition got in . We got a call back which was so cool , that's what I didn't expect . One of my good friends , Eva I didn't know her at the time , I thought she did not like me . I complimented her water bottle , she goes , thanks , and I said my bad .
Speaker 1I will talk to you anymore .
Speaker 2But she was my competition because there was no one else who really wanted to be the witch , I figured both people would be going for Dorothy Glinda . Other little , not little roles , the big roles . She is so talented , I was so impressed and I saw , I didn't know that the witch and Miss Gulch were going to be separate roles , so I was like she's got it .
Speaker 1You would think it'd be the same person playing both roles .
Speaker 2And there was part of me . That's like I wish I had gotten that role and I'm disappointed waiting for the castles to come out , knowing I didn't get the witch . But I was like you know what I'm excited for her . She's such a talented actress . I know that she's going to do better than I ever could . And castles came out , got Miss Gulch and was absolutely shocked . So , excited though and got to fly .
Speaker 1Did get to fly On a bike which is like one of my biggest dreams .
Speaker 2I've always been like man . I just , I want to go to theater , just so I can fly on a stage , and that was so much fun , that was so cool and I got to be one of the people backstage pulling ropes .
Speaker 1I got to fly her . Every time she flew I was the one pulling and yeah , you were a little bit sick . I was just so excited . The first couple of days I was there anyway . What ?
Speaker 2was that like that show was ? Oh , good show , Good show .
Speaker 1Yeah , it was great the story behind it .
Speaker 2What was going on was absolutely insane . Do you want more coffee , by the way ? Oh , I'm good . All right , cool . Thank you , though .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2Anyway , week of morning we , everyone who gets to fly , has to go in early the first day of , like the stage performance , the preparations for that week and the flying is quite the ordeal .
Speaker 1Yes , it's a lot of legal technicality as well . Safety measures to be had .
Speaker 2Exactly , and so we get there . I was tired that day , but I was also thinking , man , I'm just going into a show like just tired . I think my throat was a little bit sore .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2I wasn't worried about it . When we were sitting on the stage , everyone was trying on the harnesses , everyone was looking over everything . I felt so sick .
Speaker 2Yeah , I had a stomach ache . I was like falling asleep on the stage . I don't get sick very often , but I was sitting there like I could not stay awake and at this point it was like 11 in the morning . That's not a time where you're falling asleep . They didn't have my harness in because I had to ride on a bike . I was the only one with a harness attached to something .
Speaker 1Right , right , the most complicated hookup of them all .
Speaker 2Yes and so we were sitting there like oh , you don't , we didn't need you today All right After How's it ? Going All right . How are you After quite a few hours ?
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And we continued on that evening . The next day I woke up , had to go in early again for the harness and feeling so sick . I remember sitting on the bike and trigger warning on . I don't know , I felt like I was going to throw up . I just felt so sick and I was shaking and like sweating and I was like there were like six adults around me sitting on this bike trying to figure out how to hook up the harness . You were there , I think , yeah .
Speaker 1I was there .
Speaker 2And I was sitting there like I go , guys , can I just get like a five minute break , I'll be right back , I just need to sit down . Because I was just standing there and they go oh , just five more minutes . And I went like I don't know if I can do that . I didn't say that , but I was like OK .
Speaker 2Right and so I sat there . And then Patrick , I think our director Joe , couldn't be there , so he was standing in kind of watching everything and he looks over , he goes everyone . We're going to take a five minute break so everyone broke . I ran to the restroom and yeah , did your thing . Yep , yeah , quite a few times .
Speaker 1So yeah , and I was the one who was like , basically in charge of your harness . Like tightening it , checking it , because I'm like , well , number one , she's my daughter . I want to make sure this is done right and I know you can . You know , there's times we have to trust other people to do things . But I'm like , I'm here , we all have to be doing something . I may as well be checking her .
Speaker 1And I also flew her every time , so it's like so it was partly because like a protective dad wanting to do all that , but also fun to do that together , like I'm out there supporting her . And like I've told you , I talk about my motivational speech because we're all like elevating someone to heights that they couldn't make it to on their own . It's a really cool analogy of just father and child . You know parent , child , and then also just leader follower thing . So that was like such a good memory .
Speaker 2Absolutely being in that presentation with you .
Speaker 1I mean that was fun . It's why I was like is she just going to keep doing theater ? But that was kind of like your only one . You've kind of like been there , done that Cool , and now I'm going to do other things , which was totally fine . But just the possibility of just trying something new , doing really well with it , learning from it and just moving on to even greater things .
Speaker 2Yeah , I used to be . I say used to be , I'm 16 .
Speaker 1Like , I haven't had much experience at all Back in the 2010s .
Speaker 2We were a well , I was . I'm a very black and white person , very straightforward person and just type A . I guess you would call it and did not like doing things if it wasn't perfect . Yeah , and it stressed me out so much .
Speaker 1Get that from me by the way , that's me .
Speaker 2Let's give each other a dig . And going back to NSA , there was a talent show I have some talent show stories there .
Speaker 1Oh yes . Yeah , we kind of glazed over the talent show stuff , but those are learning opportunities as well .
Speaker 2Big learning opportunities . I still think of some of those every day Haunts me . That's not healthy . But anyway , one of the talent shows me in one of my pen pals , kinley . We're like we should do something together for the talent show and if you guys have ever seen those videos where people like take low six to themselves and if all the lights are offered stark they walk around and they just stick
Seizing Opportunities and Embracing Personal Growth
Speaker 2men .
Speaker 1You said tape glow sticks to themselves . Yes , yes , ok .
Speaker 2And it just looks like they're glowing sticking in and we're like let's do that and then dance . So she brings all the glow sticks we don't have enough for heads , they still have bodies , ok , we're like , what if ? We just did crowns or accessories or something . But I was like , yeah , it's this , like is it worth it ?
Speaker 1I don't want to do it , so you backed out , so I backed out .
Speaker 2And the second , they got on stage and turned off the lights . Man , I just keep talking about my stomach dropping my stomach .
Speaker 1Oh , you wanted to be up there .
Speaker 2And I thought I panicked . I was just like broken . I was like why couldn't I have just gone on stage ? It's not perfect , but no one can see my face anyway . I would have had so much more fun and that's kind of the day I vowed . That sounds dramatic , just that I would have fun and take the opportunity to do things , because we have opportunities passing us every single day . I was in a little leadership seminar the other day and we were talking about if I asked you the last time you saw a yellow Volkswagen , you'd be like I don't know , but you're going to go home and you're going to be watching and the next time you see a yellow Volkswagen you'll be like I just saw one .
Speaker 2There are opportunities passing you every single day and you're only going to notice them if you're looking for them or if you're thinking about them , and a lot of the times you might be wrong . You might see a school bus and be like yellow . That wasn't what I'm looking for , but you still took the opportunity and that opens so many doors and it's crazy how much you can do by just accepting things or by giving opportunities and making connections .
Speaker 1So can you tell me about ? Have there been examples I know I'm putting you on the spot Can you think of examples of things you've been having , that awareness for opportunity lately , where you've been like I would have otherwise passed that yellow Volkswagen up , so to speak , had I not been watching for it .
Speaker 2I'm trying to think I'm sure there have been . I'm also just handed like yellow Volkswagen's . Not only am I looking for them on the road , I'm walking on the street and someone's like do you want a new car ? Mr Beast is like hey , guess what ?
Speaker 1I got .
Speaker 2I'm like great , great , great and it's overwhelming . But I know I had a gentleman who came in to Chick-fil-A . We were talking and he just asked for a tea and I was like , honest sir , nice .
Speaker 1Not a big deal . She has the authority to do it .
Speaker 2Drew , hi Drew , I'll pay you back . I'll pay you back .
Speaker 1She's kidding .
Speaker 2She's just .
Speaker 1She's .
Speaker 2Yeah , I didn't get to joke that now . We don't do that now . And he's like thank you , that's cool . He's like what's your name ? We started a conversation , it's slow and I work in an insurance firm . I want you to work there and I was like say less . So in my mind I'm thinking how old do you have to be ? I don't know what all this would entail , but I do get his contact information and he reaches out to me about . It Turns out you have to be 18 .
Speaker 1Oh , I thought you were like 49 .
Speaker 2But it's a really cool opportunity just to get to know the community , get into that world , because now if I ever need an insurance company , I'm going straight to him once I become an adult . That's awesome .
Speaker 1But you're right , here's a yellow Volkswagen . I'm like a Mr Beast moment .
Speaker 2Absolutely . And then there are so many more where you're just watching and think , man , I want to do that as a teenager . I'm not just looking in the professional world . I'm looking for friends , I'm looking for groups to hang out with .
Speaker 1It's true .
Speaker 2You can make friends with that aunt in the corner .
Speaker 1You can make friends with anyone . You just have a way about you that draws people to you . So when you say these opportunities come to you , it's because of your personality , it's because of the love that you show , and so it's just awesome to see that . Yeah , I mean incredible doors open for you , that just aren't open to anyone .
Speaker 2But I think that can happen for anyone . I know I have sat down and I don't know how universal this is Again 16 , I don't have much wisdom , but you go through life and you see people and you're like man . I want to be like that .
Speaker 1I want to be that person . I wish I was more like them .
Speaker 2So when you think that don't just be like , oh , like that analogy , I would do anything to be like that , and it's like you wouldn't do anything because you haven't done anything . And so I started noticing what I really liked about other people I admired and learning from them and surrounding myself with people who I did admire . And once I got into those groups you just learn more and then you get to find yourself . It's not changing who you are , it's just being the best version of yourself .
Speaker 1Wow .
Speaker 2Guess who my dad is , guess who . I wake up in here every morning , but um After the trumpet Rumpa-dumpa-dump .
Speaker 1Yes , you can be your best , not the best Wake up to the dishes .
Speaker 2It's going to make you better , something greater today , and um , yeah , that's funny . There are so many mottos I just have swimming around in my bed , so many words from Chick-fil-A Also that I have , like advice , like readers or leaders , are ideas , are like vision for Chick-fil-A . Lenexa is to be a place where people
Authenticity and Personal Growth
Speaker 2are restored . So just all of these mottos and something , a keyword that I love is authenticity , and I think people often mistake authenticity for whoever you want to be or whatever you want to do oh right right .
Speaker 2Rather than the best of yourself , and they don't do anything to grow that . Because I think our culture is very I think it's a very obviously individualistic culture . Did I see that right , you ?
Speaker 1did . That felt weird , it sounded perfect to me .
Speaker 2I'm about to get into his hair and say yeah , and so we focus on ourselves , but then we want to change ourselves rather than switching up . And everyone has so much authenticity and that can bring up good and that can bring up bad . But it's choosing who you are , it's not going into work . I had training at Chick-fil-A and so when I have someone new come onto the team .
Speaker 2We're going over all of these words that's in an acronym , and like authentic and I say like you were selected for a reason , You're put in a place for a reason , and like you're trusted with a lot no matter who you are .
Speaker 2Like we're giving you , like in general , you're gifted a lot of opportunities and a lot of responsibilities and so I tell them we want you to be you , we don't want you to see someone else . Because my version of authentic when I greet someone is hey like , welcome in , how are you doing ? Whereas someone who is more laid back is just like hey , welcome in , and that's most authentic .
Speaker 1And that's how someone's going to connect with them .
Speaker 2And I'm also like you can't just come into work . No one , I know a lot of people do this . I don't really deal with this often . Just come into work and they're slacking off or being rowdy , whatnot , and then you say , hey , like what are you doing ?
Speaker 1I'm just being authentic , like this is just me .
Speaker 2And you can be you . There are different versions of yourself , but then there's the best version of you and I think that's the most authentic .
Speaker 1Yeah , and I think the best version of you in that moment . So like the goofy version of you might be the best version of you , but work is not the right time . It's like right now we need you to be the best version of you that's productive , that has the success of this company and the customers in mind . So , yeah , I think my word for the year , by the way , is authentic , like that's what I'm trying to be more of this year and I want that to come through in my fathering , my speaking , in the book that I'm writing , all this stuff .
Speaker 1I just want that true voice and who I am to come through . And yeah , you're right , like you said , it can bring up bad , it can bring up the dark side of us . But since we bring that dark side into light , then we can start to improve on that and make all of ourself become that better version of who we want us to be and start doing away with the vices and the bad habits and any of the negative .
Speaker 2Everyone says be yourself . And you can't be your authentic self and work well in a culture if you don't elevate yourself .
Speaker 1And sometimes that's not something you do .
Speaker 2I know a lot of people come to me and be like you're messing up , turn around .
Speaker 1This is wrong .
Speaker 2And people have really supported me in that .
Speaker 1Yeah Well , and it supports my whole message and my mantra that something greater is always possible , which is what this podcast is all about , which is why , honestly , I probably would have wanted to have you on anyway , just to be like this is my kid . I'm proud of her , but you really are . I mean , you've demonstrated a possibility mindset , because in so many words , you've always said what else is possible ? What if I did audition for the Wizard of Oz ? What else is possible ? What if I went to NSA and tried this leadership thing ? Or what if I flew to Alaska or went to Atlanta with the leadership and did things that other parents are like why are you letting your kids fly ? And it's like what else is ?
Speaker 1possible . She wouldn't be who she is without us taking advantage and just having that possibility mindset , and that's what we wanted to cultivate in you and it's just happened . Whether we wanted to or not , it was going to . That was just the plan , the greater plan , so that's awesome .
Speaker 2You've given me a lot of opportunities . I'm very thankful for that . A lot of kids , a lot of kids my age were like man . My parents would never let me do that . You went to Florida on a one day notice , oh that's true .
Speaker 1We need to talk about that . Yeah , so she's got a Florida a few times with some friends . Yeah , like on a day's notice , but again a family at the Langs who we really trust . Absolutely , they have seven kids as well , homeschoolers , and so live close to us , and so we're like go , baby go .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Do it .
Speaker 2Fly , yeah , and so people will talk about my parents would never . And first of all , you guys have raised me in a way to be able to discern for myself . I've been raised to be able to think , and I think a lot of people have lost that . A lot of people are just told what to do and not hey , when you're presented with a question or a situation , how are you going to react , rather than just following or not following , and so you've already raised me with that discernment , so I have inherent protection from you guys because of the way I've been raised . On top of that , you are looking out for me . I get texts all the time . Are you spending the night ? I mean , we have a life 360 .
Speaker 1Yeah , he's like did you guys hear ?
Speaker 2And he's like yeah , I was just watching your life 360 .
Speaker 1I'll be driving . That's what I do . I just eat popcorn and watch it 360 . It's so funny , it's so funny , I'll be driving . I'm like , oh , I can't speed , not because , of the cops , but because I'm like my dad's watching me , she gets a slow down text . I was on the road text . What do you want from me , man ? That's hilarious . No , not really .
Speaker 2But I do feel very secure because I also can trust myself , and I think there are a lot of people who shouldn't trust themselves .
Speaker 1Well , let's end on just a couple of last things , and then I want to do a part two . Sometime We'll bring you back when it feels right , when it's you know my podcast now .
Speaker 2We'll bring you back at some point . Yeah , you'll bring me back .
Speaker 1I love it . I love it . We'll just switch spots .
Exploring Different Religions and Challenging Judgement
Speaker 1Recently you went like OK , so we're Christian . Recently you visited a Hindu temple because Chick-fil-A she works with you know , she works and has a lot of friends that are just other denominations and we're talking like all kinds of denominations of Christians , but also with that , mormons , catholics and Hindus . I mean , there's just like you're wanting to learn and I love that that you're exploring Like what else is possible ? What do people believe ? So that when I have conversations I can come from a place of , oh , I understand you better , like I can connect with you better . So you've even yeah , you're reading , I think , the Book of Mormon , and which ?
Speaker 2is awesome , shameless pun .
Speaker 1I grew up next to a Mormon family and some great people . I have a lot of Mormon friends , and so it's cool , but I haven't really learned a lot about that religion . But you went to a Hindu temple recently . Yeah , because we've lived really close to two Hindu temples . What was that like ? And yeah , yeah , by the way , sorry before I know I keep cutting you off I thought I was proud of her . Like some of her friends were like be careful , it's . I'm like dude , go , this is awesome . Like I'm so proud of you for being bold . And so , anyway , I'll be quiet .
Speaker 2I love making connections so much and we live right by these temples and I had a lot of friends who are Hindu in the past and I also love researching religions . I think that what was at Augustine , this at all truth , is God's truth and I think it's really . I don't assume that I'm right and all of my theology when .
Speaker 2I ask , like my Catholic friends or my friends of other Christian denominations , questions get to know it , they believe or have they interpret the Bible ? It's one because I don't think I am completely correct . And two , I want to know where they're coming from . I think that the Bible is 100% correct . So I'm not saying I've met some Christians who are like , oh yes , but I've brought in like Buddha into my religion or like still trying to find Zen in this situation , and I don't believe that that's right because I don't believe in the Bible ends with God's holy word and the scriptures . But I do like learning what people believe . And , yeah , the temple just went in , got to know some people . They showed me around to me there , god's , I got connected and it's really cool .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's , that's awesome .
Speaker 2And I don't think there's much more to say to other than I just want to learn .
Speaker 1You'll learn more . And yeah , and you know it was quick visit this time and obviously on the podcast I mean , I'm sure we've got people of all kinds of yeah , we got atheists , agnostics , hindus more , and so the whole , the whole point that I'm trying to make here is I just love how you are adventurous and you want to understand other people and not just living your little bubble and be like don't try to infiltrate my . You're like , hey , let me , the more I can learn , the more I can support it and love the people around me . That's , that's really my whole point with it .
Speaker 1And I think , even like in work culture people do , they build their silos , they have their bubbles , they have their clicks , and then that they don't have that synergy and that teamwork factor and that the cohesion is broken and you can't be as productive and that affects your bottom line ultimately . So I'm like if everyone just had a Claire , you know like I feel like just working to understand people . That's one thing I love about you , you know where . Sometimes I'll just silently judge , but you're like I'm not going to judge , I'm going to go , I'm going to go over there , I'm going to go see what's going on over there .
Speaker 2I don't know . It's trying to judge people . Yeah Well in general , I don't think humans should judge others . I think you can discern . I don't think you should judge , but especially if you don't know what they believe . I've had a lot of conversations where I go .
Speaker 2oh , we do agree on a lot of things , or you are right about that and maybe I was wrong especially with the judging part , because I've grown to have that and I think it's so silly and it's one of the most edifying things to walk away from a conversation where you could have either imposed your faith and like penetrated it or just like expanded that bubble . And it's really , just like I said , edifying when people walk away and say thank you , I appreciate you talking to me , because it's not often that people want you to talk to them , especially today .
Speaker 1Yeah , right , yeah , it's that society today . Right ? Just kind of like keep to ourselves I learned so much from you . I'm serious Like you are my motivational speaker . You teach me so much Like sweet .
Speaker 2I'm sorry .
Speaker 1We used to take nightly walks , kind of like before , like I was okay with you , you know , walking through the neighborhood . You know it was like by yourself .
Speaker 2I don't go on night time walks .
Speaker 1We would just at night , you know , all the other kids go to bed and so Claire and I would just walk and have heart to hearts and talking about when he says that I would talk for maybe an hour and he would stand there and just listen .
Speaker 1It was great . It was great , but you would just say things . I'm like I need to be writing these things down . They're so profound and I was like I need to write a book about you , about the things you said . So thanks for teaching me , thanks for demonstrating I mean you call me out If I'm ever being judgmental or gossipy or those , you know those tendencies I tend to slip into that I'm trying to break free from you . Help me be authentic like dad , but in a gentle , loving way . But I appreciate that because if you just let it go , I wouldn't , I wouldn't become better . So you are , help me embrace the possibility mindset . So thank you , of course , all right , it's a pleasure this is great .
Speaker 1We'll do a part two for sure , and then a three and then a four , and then a few will just keep going . So , okay , I do have one last question for you before I say that hey , I want to say thanks again to aksetter a shiny for letting us be here . Thank you for breakfast . It was really good . People . Her breakfast looks so good that Sonia , as she was bringing in here , said people were trying to steal it because it was like a yogurt parfait and it looks really fancy .
Speaker 1So thankfully it made it to you and , yeah , it was good , right , okay , and also a mudwatercom slash Devon . You can find that link in the show notes . Hopefully it'll help you , like it's helped me . I sure hope so , and go to the YouTube for the full experience . Remember , subscribe , like , share this fun conversation that you've had and let us know in the comments . You know how did ? How did Claire inspire you today ? What would this conversation bring to life for you , you know , is maybe there's a yellow Volkswagen in your life that you realized I saw . I need to go back and pay attention to that , or just be watching for the future ones , okay , so one thing I was asked the guest at the end is do you have a piece of advice for my daughters ? So I'm going to flip the question a little bit Do you have some advice for your six younger sisters ?
Speaker 2I preach to them a lot , they know .
Speaker 1She's like everything I've been saying , yeah .
Speaker 2I think we were talking about being able to thank for yourself , and I worry about my sisters . I'm , I'm . I don't want to side step faith . Obviously , get to know Jesus , love him , growing him done , but on top of that , learn how to thank for yourself and discern in a situation was right and wrong , and you grow in that . The closer you get to God and the closer you get to the word , the more you spend time in it . But spend time thinking , not because you trust yourself .
Curiosity
Speaker 2I often just think about what other people told me because I don't have much wisdom that hasn't just been handed to me on a silver platter . And listen to me clearly .
Speaker 1Well , thank for yourself , though that's good , because sometimes we do just like like , like a sheet being led to the slaughterhouse . We just like , oh , okay , you know whoever's given us that information . It's like , stop , be a little bit like curious , right , which I think is super important , that we just get curious and not not necessarily even defensive , right , but just like , hey , I'm tell me more , you know , tell me what's going on here . So I like that . Thank for yourself , be curious , that's great . Okay , we're going to wrap it . The question we always ask is what else is possible . I'm going to say what else you say is possible , and then we're going to say goodbye . You ready for this ? Let's do it . Never stop asking the question what else is possible ? See you next time .
